ResQmedic121 said:Thinkin' about buying one, does anyone have one and if so good/bad/Ugly? Thanks.
macman said:ResQmedic121 said:Thinkin' about buying one, does anyone have one and if so good/bad/Ugly? Thanks.
I don't have one, but you do realize it doesn't put out a lot of heat (25K Btu max), and cannot burn anything but pellets. The big hopper is nice, though.
hossthehermit said:macman said:ResQmedic121 said:Thinkin' about buying one, does anyone have one and if so good/bad/Ugly? Thanks.
I don't have one, but you do realize it doesn't put out a lot of heat (25K Btu max), and cannot burn anything but pellets. The big hopper is nice, though.
You don't have one, macman, why do you care????
dies9 said:i just bought the 25pah from lowes. got it for 1200 dollars floor model........all in all for 1200 dollars i cant complain.......first post on here but have gotten much help from this site.
ResQmedic121 said:I have the same situation. I have a 25pvdc and it is like a 2000 (Year), I have had it for going on 3 yrs, I am looking to replace it with the PAH so my question is would you replace your PVDC for a PAH?
macman said:dies9 said:i just bought the 25pah from lowes. got it for 1200 dollars floor model........all in all for 1200 dollars i cant complain.......first post on here but have gotten much help from this site.
Welcome to the forum. We need to see pics of the PAH install, or like we say here, "it really didn't happen" LOL
Congrats & enjoy the heat!
ResQmedic121 said:I guess my question is this and DIES9 could answer it, If you could swap the 25pvdc for a 25-PAH would you?
ResQmedic121 said:I guess my question is this and DIES9 could answer it, If you could swap the 25pvdc for a 25-PAH would you?
Gio said:ResQmedic121 said:I guess my question is this and DIES9 could answer it, If you could swap the 25pvdc for a 25-PAH would you?
I probably would "swap for the reasons below but not if I had to pay significantly more. My PDVC only cost me $700 and that`s before the tax credit.
1...It`s retail cost is undoubtedly higher thus more valuable
2....It heats more area (probably uses more pellets though) but it`s all relative.
3....has a more powerful blower (and definitely louder)
4....has an ash pan , although it has to be emptied daily and I think that`s gonna be a pain in the ass.
5.....holds 3 bags of pellets for up to a 72 hr burn
6...has auto shut down / re-ignition (not sure of the value in this feature)
7...Actually the stove is very attractive even though it`s a bit spartan/utilitarian looking . The front has a nice clean appearance.
All that said above if you had to pay retail there may be better stoves for the same money out there. Anyone know what the retail price is?
I wouldn`t be too sure it outputs more heat with less pellets since it`s only 78% efficient.
Just a funny way on the forum of saying that we want to see pics of your new stove install......we need visual proof! :lol:dies9 said:i really dont know what you mean by it really didnt happen. but thanks for the welcome.
dies9 said:Gio said:ResQmedic121 said:I guess my question is this and DIES9 could answer it, If you could swap the 25pvdc for a 25-PAH would you?
I probably would "swap for the reasons below but not if I had to pay significantly more. My PDVC only cost me $700 and that`s before the tax credit.
1...It`s retail cost is undoubtedly higher thus more valuable
2....It heats more area (probably uses more pellets though) but it`s all relative.
3....has a more powerful blower (and definitely louder)
4....has an ash pan , although it has to be emptied daily and I think that`s gonna be a pain in the ass.
5.....holds 3 bags of pellets for up to a 72 hr burn
6...has auto shut down / re-ignition (not sure of the value in this feature)
7...Actually the stove is very attractive even though it`s a bit spartan/utilitarian looking . The front has a nice clean appearance.
All that said above if you had to pay retail there may be better stoves for the same money out there. Anyone know what the retail price is?
I wouldn`t be too sure it outputs more heat with less pellets since it`s only 78% efficient.
do you actually own the 25pah or are you just guessing on the amount of heat it has or pellets. the stove retails for 1700 dollars but lowes carries it for 1500 all the time. you buy the floor model and you can get more knocked off. as for the blower no it is not louder then the pdvc. the ash pan does not need to be emptied every day unless you burn low end pellets. on the pdvc setting 9 blower 9 i get the same heat output on the pah setting 4 blower 6. you cant tell me im using the same amount of pellets. in a 10 hour day i go through about 1/2 bag of pellets. on a pdvc in 10 hours to get the same heat its well over a bag. also the pah has the new single auger so no more cleaning around the bottom auger where all the soot and ash builds up. i have looked at every pellet stove there is. for the 1200 or even 1500 with a tax credit this is a good bang for the buck. but then again thats just my opinion
Gio said:dies9 said:Gio said:ResQmedic121 said:I guess my question is this and DIES9 could answer it, If you could swap the 25pvdc for a 25-PAH would you?
I probably would "swap for the reasons below but not if I had to pay significantly more. My PDVC only cost me $700 and that`s before the tax credit.
1...It`s retail cost is undoubtedly higher thus more valuable
2....It heats more area (probably uses more pellets though) but it`s all relative.
3....has a more powerful blower (and definitely louder)
4....has an ash pan , although it has to be emptied daily and I think that`s gonna be a pain in the ass.
5.....holds 3 bags of pellets for up to a 72 hr burn
6...has auto shut down / re-ignition (not sure of the value in this feature)
7...Actually the stove is very attractive even though it`s a bit spartan/utilitarian looking . The front has a nice clean appearance.
All that said above if you had to pay retail there may be better stoves for the same money out there. Anyone know what the retail price is?
I wouldn`t be too sure it outputs more heat with less pellets since it`s only 78% efficient.
do you actually own the 25pah or are you just guessing on the amount of heat it has or pellets. the stove retails for 1700 dollars but lowes carries it for 1500 all the time. you buy the floor model and you can get more knocked off. as for the blower no it is not louder then the pdvc. the ash pan does not need to be emptied every day unless you burn low end pellets. on the pdvc setting 9 blower 9 i get the same heat output on the pah setting 4 blower 6. you cant tell me im using the same amount of pellets. in a 10 hour day i go through about 1/2 bag of pellets. on a pdvc in 10 hours to get the same heat its well over a bag. also the pah has the new single auger so no more cleaning around the bottom auger where all the soot and ash builds up. i have looked at every pellet stove there is. for the 1200 or even 1500 with a tax credit this is a good bang for the buck. but then again thats just my opinion
Hey, I`m surprised. $1700 sounds like a great price . And obviously you got a steal.
Here`s a few comments I picked up on this new model trying to get info on it and this is where I got the info that the ash pan needs daily emptying.
Comments
"Although the Englander 25 PAH can burn for 72 hours between hopper refills, the ashes have to be emptied every day even though the ash pan is large. Residual ash in the burn pot must be brushed into the ash pan.
The output of 25,000 btu./hr. seems a little low for the rated 2,000 square feet
Maintenance
Daily: Empty ash pan.
Twice a week: Scrape residue from burn pot and its air holes.
Monthly: Clean ash from the exhaust chamber. Inspect the vent pipe and clean as necessary.
Yearly: Clean the exhaust and convection blowers, empty fines from the hopper, Check gasket seals"
No, I don`t have a 25PAH but I`m always interested in any new model.
You can`t compare heat output of the two stoves soley from by them both being on a particular setting especially with an Englander since my PDVC probably puts out more heat at #3 than your does at #8. How can this be? Well, as we found out recently it can greatly depend on the heat mode setting of your particular stove and probably when it was made. (we aren`t talking heat range here)
OK, second, The PDVC is pretty quiet. Why? The blower is only 140CFM . The blower on the PAH is 240 CFM and I`d not hesitate to bet that it`s louder. I already know how loud the PDV is with that blower in it. (not objectionable but not exactly quiet on full tilt) It`s rather hard to tone down a 240cfm fan.
Now regarding pellet useage, I`d not argue a slight difference and improvement from one to another but you`re talking more than a 100% improvement here. Believe me , I`m a big fan of Englander stoves but unless they performed a miracle breakthrough with the 25 PAH there`s no way you are going to get twice the heat with less than 50 less pellets from it. Didn`t you already post earlier that the PDVC had exceeded its rated output ? All of a sudden it produces less heat from more than twice as much fuel as your new stove. How did that happen?
I know if I went through a bag in 10 hours my PDVC would certainly be exceeding it`s output . Thats a lot of heat from any stove.
Lastly , the one auger is irrelovent . My Harman has only one auger and I have to scrape the burnpot and auger tip in it too and thats a more expensive and supposedly better quality stove .
BTW, how old is your pdvc?
Anyway, I do like your new stove and I do wish you the best with it. It certainly is a nice looker and for what you spent it`s hard to do better.
dies9 said:Gio said:dies9 said:Gio said:ResQmedic121 said:I guess my question is this and DIES9 could answer it, If you could swap the 25pvdc for a 25-PAH would you?
my pdvc is a year old. an yes i love the stove and it heats better then expected. but so does the new one. as for the singe auger there is no scraping of the auger tip seeing how the auger is far above and out of the way of the fire. it drops the pellets down a shoot. as for the fan, believe what you will but mind you pdvc is a small stove with restrictive air passage through the room blower. the pah is alot larger meaning air is not restricted so its not nearly as loud. and a pdvc setting on 9 uses alot more then a pah setting on 4. but this info was simply to help a guy decide if it was worth buying. not to sit here and argue with someone who does not even have this stove. im telling you my experience. thank you.
Thanks for sharing your experience with us. Maybe we`ll see Englander change their whole line up to single augers. That could be an improvement and a cost saving feature , not to mention maybe less auger problems?
Regarding air passages and fans that are obviously designed together with heat exchanger construction and the need to get the air out into the room with speeds that correspond to heat setting output. There has to be restrictions somewhere in any stove just extracting heat off the exchanger.
And again, your stove setting comparisons mean little to nothing with regards to heat output or pellet useage.
Keep in mind the PAH is rated only 2,500 BTU more than the PDVC. Unless Englanders have managed to develop some new high tech heat exchanger in the PAH there`s no way it`s going to output twice the heat for less than half the amount of pellets as you would have us believe..
This would have to be miraculous. None of their literature mentions anything about the stove putting out more heat while consuming significantly less fuel or that this particular stove is unusually quiet. These two major accomplishments would most certainly make for extremely good advertising points in their bullet style descriptions of stove features/specs and create an industry buzz. It something that I don`t think they would keep a secret.
Can`t we agree that it`s just another very good stove from Englanders available in a big box store that represents nice looks and good value .
ResQmedic121 said:The reason I asked is this. Despite me thinking I have a 25-PVDC I have a 25-PVDP that was manufactured in 1996. I bought it for 200.00 dollars almost 3 years ago. It is in my living room and it heats well, but the 60 Hopper and a Pregnant wife do not mix well, I was looking at Craigslist and found a 25-PAH for 400.00 that was built in 2006. So my thinking is this Bigger hopper, Comparable heat output (50K output) and Vent Pipe on the same side I really can't go wrong. But I don't want to lug the old 25-pvdp out and put the PAH in and have problems keeping the house as warm with the same amount (or less) of pellets. Last Night -12, so yes either stove is/would be cranking. The stove market here in NY is Hot and Cold, I've seen Harmons and Brickwells go for 600-800 bucks, then the next week same stove not sell at 400 so it is a Crap Shoot. I thank everyone for the help, But out last question and Maybe Mike can answer this, Why is the PAH a "HEATER" and everything else is a "Stove"
ResQmedic121 said:The reason I asked is this. Despite me thinking I have a 25-PVDC I have a 25-PVDP that was manufactured in 1996. I bought it for 200.00 dollars almost 3 years ago. It is in my living room and it heats well, but the 60 Hopper and a Pregnant wife do not mix well, I was looking at Craigslist and found a 25-PAH for 400.00 that was built in 2006. So my thinking is this Bigger hopper, Comparable heat output (50K output) and Vent Pipe on the same side I really can't go wrong. But I don't want to lug the old 25-pvdp out and put the PAH in and have problems keeping the house as warm with the same amount (or less) of pellets. Last Night -12, so yes either stove is/would be cranking. The stove market here in NY is Hot and Cold, I've seen Harmons and Brickwells go for 600-800 bucks, then the next week same stove not sell at 400 so it is a Crap Shoot. I thank everyone for the help, But out last question and Maybe Mike can answer this, Why is the PAH a "HEATER" and everything else is a "Stove"
ResQmedic121 said:I just talked to the Guy on Craigslist it is a Summersheat Model 55-SHPAH with a Manufacter date of 7-06, that would be replacing my 25-PVDP Manufactured in 1996, any thoughts Mike. BTW the 55 is 450.00 and I can see it run. Thanks again
stoveguy2esw said:ResQmedic121 said:I just talked to the Guy on Craigslist it is a Summersheat Model 55-SHPAH with a Manufacter date of 7-06, that would be replacing my 25-PVDP Manufactured in 1996, any thoughts Mike. BTW the 55 is 450.00 and I can see it run. Thanks again
if it was manufactured on 7/06 it is NOT a pah, we did nt build that model back then , i'd recheck the model number , it may be a "25-puf" if build date is correct, if its a PAH then the manufacture date would be "09"
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