My local Home Depot is having a 50% off sale on Englander Wood Stoves #13 NCPH for $340.00 .Is this a good price? It looks real small for a wood stove that claims to heat 1500 SQ ft.
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That is an excellent price. There are a few on here that have that make of stove I hope can chime in as well.
my home depot had the NC 30 for $388 and the NC-13 for $649 1/2 off = 325
I just bought a similar Century for $288 it is equal to the NC-13ph
For the price it is hard to beat these are you basic plate steel stoves with 5 year warranties Certiantly worth tyheir price and perhaps a better deal than trying to find
a good used stove.. Mike ESW Englander is a forum member so any issues get resolved
I just bought a similar Century for $288 it is equal to the NC-13ph
For the price it is hard to beat these are you basic plate steel stoves with 5 year warranties Certiantly worth tyheir price and perhaps a better deal than trying to find
a good used stove.. Mike ESW Englander is a forum member so any issues get resolved
Is that the one with the 1" deep ash pan? I was looking at the Englander stuff at HD once, and the thing had an ash pan no more than an inch deep. Whats the point??? Other than that, it seemed like an ok stove. I really like the Century stoves. Both are similar in price.
Can't tell ya about the 13-NC but its big brother the 30-NC is rolling right now and with 19 degrees outside it is 78 at the top of the stairs and 76 in the bedrooms in this 2,300 sq. ft. house.
Gonna be a groan sleeping tonight in the heat.
Gonna be a groan sleeping tonight in the heat.
Thats a great price. I paid $615 back in September. I have a 1350sqft ranch and the stove heats it well. If I get the living room, kitchen, dining room up to 80F before bed the house stays 68-70F for eight hours with a full load at night.
The ash pan is worthless (one inch deep) and the fire box is a bit small so I've been scooping the ash a couple times a week to maintain interior space.
The ash pan is worthless (one inch deep) and the fire box is a bit small so I've been scooping the ash a couple times a week to maintain interior space.
I have a lot of insight into the Englander 13-NC series stoves and can offer the following items:
The stove burns well on smaller loads of wood and you can typically get between 5 and 7 hours of burn time on a full firebox with it turned down. If you're following good stove operation practices figure between 3 and 5 hours.
The firebox on the 13NC series is too shallow in my opinion to allow what I consider good combustion compared to my Quadrafire or my previous englander 30 series stove.
When turned down the stove has problems staying going mainly because the gas path on the stove allows a lot of the flue gas to escape before completing combustion. I didn't have this problem with the Englander 30-series or my Quadrafire.
The door gasket on my 13NCL also had to be replaced out of the box at my cost since I purchased the stove in the spring on sale and didn't install it until fall.
For good combustion you really need a deeper firebox rather than the shallow/wide firebox the 13NC has.
I use a Englander 13NCL in my den for heating and it's a good nighttime/occasional use stove, but I would choose something else for a whole-house stove.
I have pictures of my 13NCL here:
http://community.webshots.com/user/tmonter
I'm actually working on an article/post on what to look for combustion wise in a wood stove. As a combustion engineer I have some good insights on why some stove designs work better than others.
The stove burns well on smaller loads of wood and you can typically get between 5 and 7 hours of burn time on a full firebox with it turned down. If you're following good stove operation practices figure between 3 and 5 hours.
The firebox on the 13NC series is too shallow in my opinion to allow what I consider good combustion compared to my Quadrafire or my previous englander 30 series stove.
When turned down the stove has problems staying going mainly because the gas path on the stove allows a lot of the flue gas to escape before completing combustion. I didn't have this problem with the Englander 30-series or my Quadrafire.
The door gasket on my 13NCL also had to be replaced out of the box at my cost since I purchased the stove in the spring on sale and didn't install it until fall.
For good combustion you really need a deeper firebox rather than the shallow/wide firebox the 13NC has.
I use a Englander 13NCL in my den for heating and it's a good nighttime/occasional use stove, but I would choose something else for a whole-house stove.
I have pictures of my 13NCL here:
http://community.webshots.com/user/tmonter
I'm actually working on an article/post on what to look for combustion wise in a wood stove. As a combustion engineer I have some good insights on why some stove designs work better than others.
The Englander 30NC I had was in a previous home and it seemed to work pretty well. The firebox is a lot deeper and was a lot easier to keep the fire going when the wood supply got low. It may also have something to do with the type of pipe hookup I'm using but past experience with this stove and some of my friends stoves tells me it's mainly the stove design.
Ideally you want a deep firebox that gives good residence time to the flue gasses leaving the stove so they have time to combust and release their heat before leaving the stove.
This stove has firebox dimensions that really should be changed and the depth should be the width dimension and vice-versa.
I ran into one of these today at Home Depot. Right now I am using a 30 year old Jotul 118 (using at responsibly as possible - hot fire and frequent chimney cleaning). Am I right to assume that even with its drawbacks, the Englander would represent a collosal leap ahead in efficiency and longer burn times? I was looking at Dutch West or even a new Jotul or VC but it is simply not in the budget! I live in a 200 year old cape and all spare funds go into upkeep. . .
Thanks for your input.
Chris (in snowy New Hampshire)
Thanks for your input.
Chris (in snowy New Hampshire)
It should be a big jump efficiency wise, but what are the firebox dimensions of your current stove?
Also does your local home depot (or one in a close town) have the 30NCL available?
~Tom
Also does your local home depot (or one in a close town) have the 30NCL available?
~Tom
24+" X 12" X 12" or so. I am going to call around, but I am guessing that they don't normally stock the larger model. That sounds like it might be a better choice. . .but I think I may not have the choice.
I get reasonable burn times on my 13NCL with a full firebox and seasoned red fir of about 6 maybe 8 hours. My major complaint is it's a pain to load compared to front-back loaders like the 30NCL and my Quadrafire. it's not a bad stove and it does reasonable for its size. It does heat very well.
TMonster, Your stove looks more like the 12FPG (1000sq) model to me because the damper control is above the door rather than below the door like on my 13NCP. Englander's web site has some decent pics that show this pretty well. Either way, the dimensions are real close on these two stoves.
Nice looking install.
Nice looking install.
depending on the manufacture date , earlier 13-nc series stoves were not outside air capable, and had an "over the door " draft control similar to the 12 series units have, the unit was redesigned to make it mobile home capable and when that was done , the draft control was redesigned and moved to a location below the ash lip under the door. the unit was then retested and designated the 13-ncmh.
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