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THELINMAN3000

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Jan 1, 2012
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I been trying to find out why my glass will not stay clean. After reading all Thelin threads, I checked my fan out ( seems to be THE common thing). I always run it on low, so I tried med & high, very little difference on the fan speed. My stove is only 3 years old. My super clean high button works and last year my MED. and High button worked fine.
I called Thelin and tech told me new brushes or new fan. Did I mention my stove is 3 years old and I live in the south east. So my stove has low mileage, Mid NOV thru Mid FEB =A (1 ) season. 1 ton and 12 bags is the most I have ever burned IN A SEASON.

The tech also told me the new parlor's have a brushless fan and a air wash due to the dirty glass complaints. He said there was nothing to do with our older models, nothing would RETRO FIT. Of course!!!!!!!!!
The brush type fans would last 3 to five years and cost $160.00 dealers price. He could not sell to me direct, I hope my dealer don't mark it up.

Maybe a class action law suit would help the older Thelin owners to get what they paid for. $3200.00 stove that has trouble after 3 years and the glass has been smoked up since day 1.
May be they ought to retro ( thelin tech term) some of our money back.

VERY UN HAPPY AT THELIN owner :snake:
 
THELINMAN3000 said:
I been trying to find out why my glass will not stay clean. After reading all Thelin threads, I checked my fan out ( seems to be THE common thing). I always run it on low, so I tried med & high, very little difference on the fan speed. My stove is only 3 years old. My super clean high button works and last year my MED. and High button worked fine.
I called Thelin and tech told me new brushes or new fan. Did I mention my stove is 3 years old and I live in the south east. So my stove has low mileage, Mid NOV thru Mid FEB =A (1 ) season. 1 ton and 12 bags is the most I have ever burned IN A SEASON.

The tech also told me the new parlor's have a brushless fan and a air wash due to the dirty glass complaints. He said there was nothing to do with our older models, nothing would RETRO FIT. Of course!!!!!!!!!
The brush type fans would last 3 to five years and cost $160.00 dealers price. He could not sell to me direct, I hope my dealer don't mark it up.

Maybe a class action law suit would help the older Thelin owners to get what they paid for. $3200.00 stove that has trouble after 3 years and the glass has been smoked up since day 1.
May be they ought to retro ( thelin tech term) some of our money back.

VERY UN HAPPY AT THELIN owner :snake:

Ahhh, how's the heat? Glass on my Harman get's dirty too. While I know why you're upset, if it heats well, can't you burp and get over it? If it were I fish tank I'd be with you all the way. Since you always run on low, I wouldn't pay for the motor until it dies. Then I would have a spare in the garage because it will stop on the coldest night, of course. Unfortunately, you can live with it or spend lots on a new one of a different brand. Thelin is owned by a Corporation, so no more Mom and Pop service. They were always good to me. Thanks.
 
You mention the new Parlour's have a wash system...do you know what year they started this...2010..2011..??...My Parlour gets dirty but I live with it..I bought the stove this year..got it for $1500.00..it was a left over...will have to check of the year it was made...does anyone know if it's on the back plate..I know if I paid $3600.00 for it I would be pissed...but I knew it was an issue...I read several post on it...and it does require often cleaning...but I enjoy cleaning it. I run mine 24/7 and it heats my whole house...
 
Are you going to change your user name...???....thelinman3000...hope things work out for you..
 
bigruckus said:
You mention the new Parlour's have a wash system...do you know what year they started this...2010..2011..??...My Parlour gets dirty but I live with it..I bought the stove this year..got it for $1500.00..it was a left over...will have to check of the year it was made...does anyone know if it's on the back plate..I know if I paid $3600.00 for it I would be pissed...but I knew it was an issue...I read several post on it...and it does require often cleaning...but I enjoy cleaning it. I run mine 24/7 and it heats my whole house...


The Thelin tech told me today 1-9-12 that the new parlor 3000 has a air wash due to complaints. So I take it this year 2011~2012. He told me they had also changed fan motor to brush less and changed new design burn pot. As far as the name it will be EX-THELINMAN-NO-3000.
i STILL THINK WE SHOULD ALL HAVE REPRESENTATION FOR OUR TROUBLES AND MONEY WE HAVE SPENT.

"golden rule" don't buy a pellet stove unless you see it burning at the stove store, mine was a idle display in which I ordered mine from.
 
At various times between years 3 and 4 I replaced the auger motor.... the mother board..... the blower motor and the ignitor...... Did I miss any pieces ???? Still happy with the operation and output..... Just disappointed in the durability ....
 
All pellet stoves, regardless of brand or price, will dirty up the glass if run on "low" for any period of time... both of my St Croix's do. Cleaning the glass is simply part of the everyday cleaning routine if you want to see the pretty flame.

If the stove runs on medium or high you will get very little soot on the glass. Buying a cleaner burning pellet may also help... you have to experiment.

These stoves are not high tech. We are so focused on everything being 'perfect' these days but, you must understand, that these stoves are still nothing more than fan-assisted fireplaces. Burning wood still makes smoke and soot...

The big problem, as I see it, is most dealers sell these stoves as 'maintenance free' or 'very little maintenance'.... they are hardly that at all. And, I would bet, that most people selling them have never owned one...
 
Pellet stove technology is not high paced in evolving here in the U.S. I doubt you would get enough people to do a class action, and I am guessing those stove are produced in low numbers. Hence the higher price.

My Mini is second gen form the looks of it and I up graded to latest model with out the new air wash. The glass gets covered really bad if running on low for an extend time. It stays cleaner longer on the upper levels. Since I have to scrape the pot every day, I wipe down the glass as well, it's not a big deal and accept as a fact of life.

As for a better price on a fan motor, you can look on line for an after market, or even find the actual supplier for Thelin. However electric motors I seen for pellet stoves are not cheap.
 
I guess my beef is, my friend has a $1800.00 10 year old englander 10-cdv (big monster). His glass will stay clean , for weeks. A little ash around the outter edge. He can veiw the fire at anytime. Mine 15 mins in the burn my glass is covered in ash being blown up on the glass. If I run on med or high same thing for me. I' ve adjusted my air inlet damper in every position, no difference. Thelin has 5 a year warranty against workmanship of the stove. I think this is poor workmanship. They test these stoves, they had to no this was a problem. I agree the heat is what matters and mine does great at that. But why tempt us with a veiw glass if it really isn't going to work out. Don't put a glass on it, but they would not sell as many. They are changing the new stoves, the old stoves were guina pigs? Don't they care if were satisfied?
 
There is an adjustment that can be made to the control board that will boost output..... I had mine done about 2 years ago ..... It seems like the adjustment did help with the glass but really boosted output at every level...... I can run on new low for several days with no significant glass sooting at any level...... And when I run on high.... It really throws out a lot of heat.....
 
You don't mention what pellets you are using. They can make a big difference in how long it takes to dirty up the glass. I clean my glass just about every time I clean my stoves. Well I don't clean the Harman that often because it doesn't get that dirty once I turned the feed rate down.

The problem with your stove is a design issue and not workmanship. It was designed to operate that way.

Good luck with your Englander. I hope it does for you what you want.
 
My Quad Santa Fe always got dirty glass, it was a part of my daily cleaning ritual. Took 2-3 minutes to scrape the burnpot, vacuum out the stove and clean the glass every day. No big deal, it's just part of owning a pellet stove.

My new Harman stove doesn't get dirty as fast, but it still get some ash and soot buildup. I clean it every 2 or 3 days instead of every single day.
 
seriously , why do you care if the glass gets dirty, the stove heats the house with cheap fuel.
 
You can adjust air flow, remove top window seal and air wash. My Quad has no top window seal on all 3 panels.
 
You need to hook up the Englander...........just saying. :coolgrin: :-)
 
BadDad320 said:
There is an adjustment that can be made to the control board that will boost output..... I had mine done about 2 years ago ..... It seems like the adjustment did help with the glass but really boosted output at every level...... I can run on new low for several days with no significant glass sooting at any level...... And when I run on high.... It really throws out a lot of heat.....

Bad Dad, did the Hearth Shoppe do that adjustment for you?
 
jman59 said:
You need to hook up the Englander...........just saying. :coolgrin: :-)

Jman, My thoughts exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just got to get through this winter. The reason I want the glass clean is so I can watch a fire burn. I had a WOOD STOCK "FIREVEIW" SOAPSTONE WOOD STOVE before this pellet stove. Must I say anything else. Wood stock soap stone stoves are the best. My glass never got dirty due to their great air wash. My wife and I always watched the fire burn. Something about looking out the window, knowing its bone chillin cold outside, then looking at your fire ( makes you warm all over).
Thanks for the inputs, I also have adjusted the low, high fan pods on the control board, little difference if any. Fan used to run faster after adjustment.
Looking forward to installing the Englander, then I will watch the fire.
 
ebengel said:
BadDad320 said:
There is an adjustment that can be made to the control board that will boost output..... I had mine done about 2 years ago ..... It seems like the adjustment did help with the glass but really boosted output at every level...... I can run on new low for several days with no significant glass sooting at any level...... And when I run on high.... It really throws out a lot of heat.....

Bad Dad, did the Hearth Shoppe do that adjustment for you?

Yes.... And it works really well !!!!!
 
BadDad320 said:
ebengel said:
BadDad320 said:
There is an adjustment that can be made to the control board that will boost output..... I had mine done about 2 years ago ..... It seems like the adjustment did help with the glass but really boosted output at every level...... I can run on new low for several days with no significant glass sooting at any level...... And when I run on high.... It really throws out a lot of heat.....

Bad Dad, did the Hearth Shoppe do that adjustment for you?

Yes.... And it works really well !!!!!

Thanks, they are getting me a new igniter so when I go to pick it up I will talk to them about that adjustment.
 
ebengel, all you have to do is take off the outer heat shield (6 tourqex bolts, 3 down each side at the front) take out 2 screws that hold panel with low,med high clean buttons. remove outer shield at the control panel that is still mounted to the stove,on the bottom right there are two adjustment pods. one is low fan and the other is high fan. small flat screw driver turn both clockwise a 1/8 turn. that's all there is to do it. You want notice the difference until it gets out of start up mode.
MAKE SURE YOUR UNPLUGGED AND BATTERY IS UNHOOKED JUST TO BE SAFE SIDE OF STATIC ON THE BOARD......

According to my dealer all this is doing is adding more volts to the dc motor so it runs faster, and if you don't adjust both ( low pod & high pod) equal amounts med wont change or speed up.
 
THELINMAN3000 said:
ebengel, all you have to do is take off the outer heat shield (6 tourqex bolts, 3 down each side at the front) take out 2 screws that hold panel with low,med high clean buttons. remove outer shield at the control panel that is still mounted to the stove,on the bottom right there are two adjustment pods. one is low fan and the other is high fan. small flat screw driver turn both clockwise a 1/8 turn. that's all there is to do it. You want notice the difference until it gets out of start up mode.
MAKE SURE YOUR UNPLUGGED AND BATTERY IS UNHOOKED JUST TO BE SAFE SIDE OF STATIC ON THE BOARD......

According to my dealer all this is doing is adding more volts to the dc motor so it runs faster, and if you don't adjust both ( low pod & high pod) equal amounts med wont change or speed up.
Thanks, I will have it apart anyway this weekend to replace the igniter
 
My Parlour 3000 is @ 6 season old. When I first purchased the stove I had the same experiences noted in this thread. More specifically, dark, sooty glass, poor heat performance. This was partially cured by replacing the Pellet brand and adjusting the airflow through the damper that is under the front door at the bottom of the stove. I also clean the pipes up to where they connect to the larger chimney piple @ every week. Quite a bit of ash comes out during each cleaning. This stove is very sensetive to Pellet quality, airflow, and frequent cleanings. I also have a plate that covers the right hand side of the inside of the stove next to the ignitor. Ash accumulates under the plate and effects airflow. I clean under this plate every time I vacuum out the stove.

Still not happy with the stove and after replacing a failed auger motor in year 3, I called Thelin directly and told Jay about my experience and frustration with the stove. He informed me of a new Burner Pot design which included a new style ignitor and a new timing chip for the circuit board. After replacing these items (at my expense) the stove performance was greatly improved! The ash inside the stove walls and glass went from black to white, the glass stayed clean with some ash build up after several days, and the heat output was greatly improved as well. I can run the stove without problem at any speed and most of the time operate at Low speed.

I am suprised to hear that a stove that is @ 3 years old cannot be updated with the new Burner Pot design unless it already has an updated Burner Pot?

Does anyone know when the new Burner Pot design was implemented? Based on another thread I was reading earlier it appears that there may have been 2 revisions since I purchased my stove?

mmesa005
 
my stove has cast iron pot and ignighter on the left hand side when looking at the stove.
How much money was the updates.
 
To the best of my recollection $300 for the Burner Pot assembly, igniter, circuit board chip.
 
The warranty on a thelin pellet stove is the same as the warranty on a pellet stove you can buy at canadian tire for half the price Most high end pellet stoves have a 2 year warranty on electronics and a 7 to 10 year warranty on the structure I have a thelin palour pellet stove it has cracked between the pellet feed and fire box I have talked to many pellet stove dealers and showed them pictures of the crack they say they have never seen a pellet stove do that before
IFanyone would like pics pls email me [email protected]
Below is a copy of the letter i sent the company and the letter they sent me



Mr. Hein,

We believe our customers appreciate our policy of offering quality merchandise and services at reasonable prices. We continue to hear favorable comments most frequently.
Losing a valuable customer such as yourself, is a most painful experience, as we take the loss of your future business quite seriously.

As previously shared, our 5 Year Limited Warranty is dutifully established and recognized as is common - being appropriate for a period of 5 calendar years from original purchase date. Its timeline is not determined based upon use criteria as you have suggested. I have included the following additional information as clarification towards providing a clearer understanding of our warranty than has previously been accomplished. I believe it addresses many of your concerns a s shared.

STATEMENT OF POLICY:
Thelin Hearth Products warrants that all new stoves shall be free from defects in material and workmanship per the terms of the warranty supplied with the product. Thelin makes no other warranties, either expressed or implied, including warranties of merchantability or fitness for a particular purpose.
Installation and startup procedures are considered to be normal required activities not associated with warranty service.
In no event shall Thelin be liable for any incidental or consequential damages.
WARRANTY PERIOD:
Thelin Hearth Products warrants its new stoves against defects in material and workmanship for a period of five (5) years from the date of purchase with the exception of the electrical components, gaskets, logs, moving parts, gas valve and control, and burner which are warranted for a period of one (1) year from date of purchase.
CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS:
Only the original purchaser of a new Thelin stove is covered by the limited warranty and it is non-transferable.
A warranty is only provided if the purchase was made through an authorized Thelin dealer.
If the unit is used for commercial purposes, it is excluded from warranty coverage.
The warranty is automatically voided if the unit’s serial number has been removed or altered in any way.
The warranty is automatically voided if the wrong fuel has been used.
Thelin Hearth Products reserves the right to change product features or specifications without notice.​
No dealer, distributor, or similar person has the authority to represent or warrant Thelin Hearth Products beyond the terms contained in the warranty. Thelin Hearth Products assumes no liability for such representations or warranties.
The standard warranty agreement provided by Thelin Hearth Products with the purchase of the stove constitutes the extent of Thelin’s representation of warranty. All other warranties, whether express or implied, are hereby expressly disclaimed and purchaser’s recourse is expressly limited to the warranties set forth within.
The limited warranty does not include injury due to malfunction of the product, property loss, property damage, defect and/or failure to function.
The limited warranty is null and void in the event the stove is not operated at all times in accordance with the installation and operating instructions furnished with the product, as well as any applicable local and national codes.
The limited warranty is null and void in the event of negligence, misuse, improper installation, alteration or adjustment of the manufacturer’s settings, lack of proper and regular maintenance; damage incurred while in transit, or an act of God.
The limited warranty does not extend to or include surface finish on the appliance, paint, gold plating, door gaskets, glass gaskets, glass, or firebricks. It does not cover installation or operational-related problems such as over firing, use of corrosive driftwood, downdrafts or spillage caused by environmental conditions, nearby trees, buildings, hilltops, mountains, inadequate venting or ventilation, excessive offsets, or negative air pressures caused by mechanical systems such as furnaces, fans, clothes dryers, etc. Any installation, construction, transportation, or other related costs or expenses arising from defective part(s), repair, replacement, etc., will not be covered by this warranty, nor will Thelin assume responsibility for them.
Thank you for calling this matter to our attention. I do hope you will once again consider Thelin Hearth Products along with one of our many dealers to be your choice again when you decide to consider a new stove.
Jim Coghlan
Thelin Hearth Products

Phone: 800-949-5048
Fax: 916-419-1757
[email protected]


From: Robert Hein [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 6:17 AM
To: Sales - Thelin
Subject: Parlour stove


Hello Garret: Please forward the following letter to Mr. Coghlans.




Dear Mr. Coghlans:

I first must apologize. I gave you some wrong information. I have had my stove for 9 years not 7 years.

I have talked to other pellet stove owners who say they use their stoves 6 to 8 months of the year and burn anywhere from 3 tons to 5 tons of pellets a year (50 - 40 pound bags to a ton)
They have owned non Thelin stoves for 5 to 15 years with no structural damage occurring.

I bought my stove 9 years ago and use my stove 3 to 4 months a year, burning a maximum of 1 ton of pellets a year (50 - 40 pound bags)
Operated normally, 6 to 8 months a year, it would have 54 to 72 months of operating time on it

My stove operates 3 to 4 months a year so it has 27 to 36 months of operating time on it. So, if it had been operated as most people do, it would have cracked within the Thelin warranty periodI have checked the warranty on other pellet stoves. They have a limited warranty on the electronics and moving parts BUT a life time warranty on the metal structure. I now wonder if the 5 year Thelin warranty on the stove structoure, is an advertisement for the inferior workmanship of the Theilin.

You said you did not know what I burn in the stove. As a marine engineer, I am acutely aware that proper maintenance extends the life of most machinery; I burn fir pellets called Clean Burn, made in the USA and nothing else.

You said you did not know if the stove had been frozen or was around salt air. Are you saying that your stove is not suitable for cold climates or coastal communites? My Thelin has not been outside since it was installed 9 years ago.

I want to repeat, that the welder who inspected my stove said the metal was not good enough to weld. You told me that a good welder could fix the problem. I am just wondering why you would think a Canadian welder with certification would not be qualified to assess a Thelin stove?

I trust that you will read this and assist me to repair or replace my unit.
Sincerely,


Robert E. Hein
 
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